This believer says that Jesus believed in the Trinity. He views one verse in scripture as his authority. He rejects the God of the Jews and the Muslims (as false). He provides no narrative of the behavior of Jesus, while on this planet. He concludes that his Trinity God is our Creator God. Why do I view this believer as deceived? Revelation 4 reveals that there is ONE God on the Throne. There is no Trinity in this VISION of John in Revelation 4. Did Jesus/Yeshua (while on this planet) pray to the God revealed in John's vision? Did Yeshua (while on this planet) serve this God which John reveals in Revelation 4? My sense is YES. The God of Yeshua/Jesus was the God revealed in Revelation 4, namely Yahweh. Also called the God of Israel (Abraham/Moses/David/Yeshua). This God was/is eternally God! Can a human man be God (in the flesh)?
The above scripture implies, to me, that our Creator God is much more than a human person (man of flesh). God is a transcendent spirit who has no matter (flesh) as his body (per Revelation 4). Matter is what my body is composed of. Revelation 4 implies that God is virtual and/or beyond any material substance. The belief that God became flesh (matter) does not ring true to me. It would imply that God (a man of flesh) prays to himself...talks to himself as both man and God. It would imply that a God (man) could raise himself from the grave (no outside help). Is this the God that I witness in real life? In the scriptures? I don't think so!
Revelation 4 seems to separate the angels, the Lamb, and 24 elders from the central person on the THRONE. There is only ONE person on the spiritual/virtual throne in Revelation 4. I witness no Trinity on the Throne. An overview of this throne provides the evidence.
It appears that the Lamb (Lion of Judah in this scripture) is separate from the Throne of Yahweh/Father. This Lamb is between the throne and the four living angels and among the 24 elders. The Lamb is not our Creator God as referenced in chapter 4. It appears that our Creator God allowed this Lamb (Lion of Judah) to enter the Throne room and receive the Scroll. This implies, to me, that there is no Trinity God on this Throne in Revelation 4. There is ONE God/ONE Creator. Yahweh must be this God! There is no FACE to witness as this is what scripture says. God's image is not revealed. We must worship this God without a mental image. Can anyone do this easily? My sense is that it would take 'faith' to worship this God!
History reveals that the Trinity doctrine developed as official dogma at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. Yeshua never approved this doctrine as he died in 33 A.D. His view of the Father (also called Yahweh in Hebrew) was that which derived from the Jewish Torah. Hear O' Israel the LORD our God is ONE LORD! Yeshua believed in Monotheism (as do most Jews and Muslims). Christians created the Trinity doctrine so that Jesus could be worshiped as God (equal with Yahweh/Father). I do not accept this Catholic doctrine.
The God who rules our planet is not a prior human being (as professed by most Christians). He did not leave his virtual/transcendent throne to live on planet Earth for a brief period. This seems like a PAGAN belief to me. The Trinity idea derived from prior Pagan beliefs.
A Pope must relish this pagan idea called the Trinity. Why? None can discern what it means? It's a mystery within a riddle within a pagan myth. Wow! No human can discern its logic! I don't think I want this as part of my belief system!
Revelation 4 seems like a vision from a believer who understood spiritual reality. John wrote down this vision on the Isle of Patmos, around 95 A.D. He apparently received this vision from Yahweh, via the glorified Yeshua, via an Angel. I find this vision relevant for my beliefs!
Additional evidence on the nature of our Creator God can be found in the Old Testament books of Isaiah 6 and Ezekiel 1. These words seem to confirm the words in Revelation 4. Have a great day! I am: Donald B. Swenson, Economist/Philosopher, donaldswenson.blogspot.com.
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